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From Doyle Henderson to Bobby in New Orleans, 1997, on Post Hypnotic Suggestions and Doyletics:

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From Bobby in New Orleans to Doyle Henderson, c.1997 on Phantom Leg Pain:

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From Yvan Béguin in Geneva, Switzerland, used with permission:

Note: In this email Yvan explains how he used the Child Trace Procedure outlined on the FAQ page, among other things.

Subject: [Doyletics] VHS, Traces with Children and news
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:23:34 -0700
From: Yvan Béguin
To: World-Wide Doyletics Listserv

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Dear Bobby,

The letter you sent me, together with the tape, touched me. Thanks for your invitation. I would love to meet you together with Doyle. So please, let me know when you know at which period Doyle will be in NO. And don't forget, you are welcome anytime in Switzerland if one day you have an opportunity to travel towards Europe.

First of all, thank you for the video (El Paso Interview). I received it last Tuesday already, it is really very fast from the States to Switzerland, much faster than between Geneva and Lausanne (70 km!).

I watched it immediately, during the night between Tuesday and Wednesday. Then I did a first copy of it in VHS and PAL standard (the most European one). The result is acceptable, not really HiFi but good enough to go through. The sound is good, colors also, the only problem is that the picture is slightly "dancing" laterally.

I am ready to make as many copies as needed and to send them to the doyletics friends who ask for it. Please let me know and post me their address in order to proceed.

The content is very good, easy to understand (of course it sounds so familiar to me) and very practical. My friend Françoise watched it yesterday and immediately tried her first speed trace with a food dislike of spinach. She lost the sensation between 7 and 8 years old and spend time around this time asking the plausibility question and found another event associated with different sensations. Of course she is used to practice "free association" as she did a psychoanalysis.

We have been speaking together today about associative events and the fact that original doyles are always issued before age 5. At her discharge, she didn't read much about it before, only got the basics through our conversations and start to try out of the vision of the video. Not bad for a beginning.

[Bobby note: You should go back before five for a speed trace to remove the original doyle. If a doyle disappears before you reach five, you should re-activate the doyle and continue to ensure that the original doyle has been traced. If she still has some dislike of spinach, she can do another speed trace to remove the remaining doyle.]

But most important over all, one of your last posting to the list: "Leading Speed Trace with children" was very appropriate for me. Three years ago, I already tried to do P! session with my son Arnaud. He understood very quickly and very easily the basics of the trace and what we could get out of it. Therefore, he was very motivated and willing to try. But unfortunately at this time, we failed in doing any successful trace. At this time we were not using the speed trace, but the long way, with relaxation in between each time mark, and starting with the remembering of a situation bringing a doyle and not on the spot.

Your suggestions in the mentioned message, opened a new space for me, seeing immediately how I could try a new start with him.

Sunday evening we were coming back from my mother's house, 200 km in the mountain in the north of Switzerland. We had dropped Anaïs and Chloé (Arnaud's sisters) to my mother's home for a couple of days. And the last time we did this, was the 4th of January and late in this night we got the phone call from the hospital that Sophie died. And we have been speaking of that on our way back to Geneva.

Of course, Arnaud had difficulties to sleep (it has been a long term weak point for him), saying that pictures were bothering him. So I sat to the side of his bed and asked him what he was feeling while having these pictures. And he pointed his throat having obviously a heavy difficulty in breathing and swallowing. Usually after crying a bit, he felt a bit better, sometimes enough to go to sleep.

This time, I used your suggestions, asking:

Now you are 12, but your remember that two years ago, while mam was still with us and OK, you already had that ? He said: yes.
And when you were 8, do you remember if you had already this ?
- yes.
And when you were 6 ?
- I don't know.
OK, so just say " I am 6" and tell me if you still feel that.
- Yes I still feel that.
And now, say "I am 5" and tell me.
- Yes I still feel that.
And now, say "I am 4" and tell me.
-No it is not there.

OK, your trace is over. You see, it is much easier this way. Now, try to think again to this pictures that were disturbing you before. Do you still feel something with them ?
Do you think you will be able to sleep now ?
- I think so. Good night.

And he slept well.

Second episode. Monday evening Arnaud was very tired after his first day in the basketball camp and went to bed quite early. I told him that I had to go to a neighbor to do something but that I would not be long. At nine. he phoned me on the cellular phone that never leaves me since last year, telling me that he had some difficulties to fall asleep but no disturbing pictures or sensations like the day before. I told him that I would be back in a quarter. But three hours passed and when I went back, he was sleeping.

And the day after, he didn't tell anything special. It is only when I mentioned to him, that I also had some tensions preventing me to sleep the night before, that something important came. I was explaining him, that I had the idea to trace these tensions, but that I didn't remember if I finished the trace because soon I heard the alarm clock ringing, it was the morning... :-)

And do you know what he told me ?

You know dad, yesterday, like you were not coming back after my phone call, I did a trace by my own, and for me also I was morning and time to get up before I realized if I finished the trace or not.

Now he is using it on his own and when he feels like.

Wonderful no ?

[Bobby Note: Wonderful YES! I hope you parents out there are taking notes and working on how you may be available to help your child when one of them comes up with a problem. ]

Thanks for your insight and I will let you know with the girls. Because, as they are younger (Anaïs almost 6 and Chloé nearly 8) I will use other approaches and especially the "induced" one with Anaïs.

Of course, you can use any or all of this for yourself and/or for the list.

Most sincerely


From Georgette in New Orleans, used with permission:

Subject: Re: Digest #3
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:29:18 -0500 (CDT)
From: Georgette
To: Bobby Matherne

Dear Bobby,

Thanks again for everything, the marriage ceremony, the Digest, and your willingness to bless us all with the gift of possibility.

Your website is a "sacred site," and I have been blessed by it.

Did a trace as I read the Digest. I had clicked to the quick start explanation, and while reading it, I started to cry. I noticed a heaviness in my chest and upper body. It was amazing how I could do the trace while reading how to do it. How's that for simplicity?!

The trace took me to 3 years old when I got a new pair of red shoes for my birthday. I was beaming with joy and excitement, AND in the midst of the 20 people who were there, nobody was available to share the feeling with me... or so it seemed. I experienced a deep and profound longing to give away what I felt as I discovered those little red shoes. The words that resounded were, "Nobody's there. Nobody's there."

I have suffered, hemmed and hawed, and allowed one distraction after another to detour me from publishing my writings. Why would I publish them if NOBODY'S THERE... to receive them??

I'll let you know how things develop! Please use this email in any way you wish.

Bobby, may you be touched as I have. Bless you, and your Sacred Site,


August 5, 2000 Followup:

Such wealth for weed-whacking! WOW!
This is so powerful.

I've noticed since my trace yesterday that the "nobody's there" doyle has been a cable-like thread throughout my life, weaving itself in and out of everything I do, think and say.

No wonder I've felt bound, all tied up, and pressured. This doyle of doom has impregnated my premises, stopped up my sinuses, and litigated my lymph nodes, not to mention bamboozling me into believing that I am alone and separate, the greatest deception of all.

Blessings, georgette

From Rob Griffiths in the UK, used with permission:

Subject: New understanding?
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 14:10:33 +0100
From: Rob Griffiths (
To: "Bobby Matherne (E-mail)"


I've just had another look at the web-site & it reminded me of a discovery that I've forgotten to tell you - it explains the transmission of doyles from one person to another: I was wondering for a while, how you're 'falling into the sky' doyles were triggered in your person if you didn't initially experience them. You said that the uncovered memory after tracing didn't reveal any externally stimulated pains in you & that your reactions were a copy of those manifested by the man who nearly dropped you. I couldn't accept that there was a transmission link through the ether, no matter how I tried to.

I've also wondered for some time, how siblings often look like their parents. I've always wondered this but more so since I met a friend who, when he laughs, bends over a bit. His parents & his sister do the same thing & all of them have slight, but noticeable hunched backs & similar frowns.

Why do we laugh when others do, why do we yawn, cry etc - what is it that causes us to copy?

That is actually the answer - we simply copy. This wasn't obvious to me for some time because in the later years of someone's life, a stimulus will trigger complex doyles. These triggered doyles are almost always different to the stimulus & I couldn't see the connection.

But in our early lives, when there is a lot of interaction between the child & parents, & when the child hasn't mixed up the doyles into complicated emotions, the stimulus of, for example, a smile by the mother, will trigger the closest doyle stored in the child - & he/she smiles as well. And as almost all of us had the same experiences before 5 (ie the red wagon story), we nearly all have a similar list of doyles to pick from in our memory.

This is the simple process that the brain constantly goes through:

1. Detects the stimulus.
2. Searches all the way through memory for a match.
3. Triggers the 1st matched doyle.
4. Triggers any associated doyles.
5. Stores any new doyles present with the present stimulus.

So, the child sees a smile, searches all the way back through memory, finds a smile doyle & triggers it. If no doyle is stored that matches the presented stimulus (eg. a 3 year old child who hurts his/her leg on a park bench), the brain would receive the visual image of the park bench, search through memory, but this time find no match & just store the new pain with the present image.

This is the only mechanism I can think of that explains the consistency of our personalities. I thought of this several months ago & I've not had a single experience that could make me doubt it. Rob Griffiths

My Reply to Rob:

Subject: Re: New understanding?
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:07:46 -0500
From: Bobby Matherne
Organization: 21st Century Education, Inc
To: Rob Griffiths

Dear Rob,

Great deduction! You've come to understand the transmission of doyles aspect of doyletics.

I met a woman in Eureka, California who told me her friend was allergic to iceberg lettuce, as was her mother. Now iceberg lettuce has no chemicals in it that are different from any other of the common lettuces, Boston Bib, Romaine, etc, so how could it be that anyone would be allergic to just one store name for lettuce instead of all lettuce brands? That would be enough by itself to cause me to think of a doylic origin for the allergy. Probably a "gateway doyle" that triggers the remaining sequence of doyles that she calls an allergy.

But, how in the world can one explain that her mother also has the exact same specific allergy to iceberg lettuce? Genetics would be the obvious answer, up until now, up until doyletics. That's why I say on page:


"Genetics and Doyletics - Sharing the Pie

The pie that I'm referring to is the one that I created to show my hypothesis hat about half the things currently ascribed to genetics will eventually be ascribed to doyletics. The woman who had an allergic reaction to iceberg lettuce and whose mother also had the same reaction is not much different from my experience of disliking sauerkraut and my father disliking sauerkraut."

We must learn to distinguish from genetic and doyletic origins of ailments of all sorts from now on. The initial reaction of the woman to iceberg lettuce was learned from her mother and that doyle became a "gateway doyle" as I call it to the sequence of internal events [doyles] she refers to as "allergy", up until now. I actually didn't have a chance to talk to her -- she was a friend of my hostess who pointed her out to me at a picnic, but I have little doubt that her allergic reaction to iceberg lettuce was imminently traceable.

I learned early in my studies of neuro-linguistic programming with Bandler and Grinder that internal reactions are communicable among people in each other's presence. Some people, called empaths, are world-class experts at it. Others, like you, must learn the process's existence logically by analysis. To some extent that was true for me also. I was good at doing the matching, but was not aware of when I did it or not. Once you become aware of the process, you now have a meta-position from which to operate -- you can CHOOSE to match or not, depending on whether you want to have what the other person has.
Thanks for sharing your insight -- it will prove valuable for others as well when I post it to the website. May I include your name as well? Maybe just Rob in the UK? [Bobby Note: He Replied, Yes, full name and address.]
in freedom and light,


P. S. Check out emerging website -- lots of changes over the weekend. Plus I hope to have an email list serve set up in a week or so for comments like yours. --
Bobby Matherne -- New Orleans, Louisiana
Fear, Anxiety, and Anger are Endangered Species from now on!
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From A Friend in France, used with permission:

Note: Below is a couple of emails from a friend in Paris that I responded to with in-line comments. His words are preceded by a > symbol.

Subject: Re: Just a simple question from Paris
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:48:27 -0500
From: Bobby Matherne

errera wrote:
> Dear Mr Matherne
> I am a friend of Yvan and I helped him in the French Translation of Panacea.
> Doyle has suggested me that, for some partcular questions, to contact you directly.
> I have just one question.
> Eugene Gendlin and his group have found, after meticulous research, that the
> gains achieved during psychotherapy are restricted to certain kinds of patients.
> These patients spontaneously focus on their felt sensations during their
> psychotherapy. He concluded that the focusing on bodily sensations by itself can
> solve people's psychological problems.

Dear [name withheld],

You ask very good questions and your intuitions about the answers are correct.

Doyletics is a science and the psychotherapy that is being done without knowledge of doyletics is sometimes a conglomeration of jury-rigged tricks that people have developed over time that seem to work on some people.

In Gendlin's case above, just from your words I can tell by the use of the word "can" in "can solve" that his patients are not successful in all cases.

People can play the piano without taking lessons and without knowing music theory.

The science of doyletics, for the first time, provides a comprehensive and complete theory to why the sometimes make-shift processes used by some therapies work and why they fail when they don't work. They see through a glass darkly up until now, but with the insights of doyletics they may see clearly from now on.

> On the other hand, I can observe (on myself for example) that some emotional
>problems I had at age 18 have disappeared. Food dislikes, but many others...but not all.

Sure, most people lose food dislikes by about age 40 naturally. I did. Only liver and sauerkraut remained and dropped away after I did my first doyle traces. BUT I did NOT trace either of them! The doyle disappeared and then I could eat the food. I found out by accident by eating pate' in a restaurant thinking it was tuna fish salad.

Sauerkraut: I had a dream in which I was eating it and enjoying it. That told me "AHA! now I can eat sauerkraut!" My mom fixed it only once and my dad yelled at her, and I must have heard him, so I could never eat sauerkraut without having the sound of his voice triggering a very unpleasant internal state. I had traced that internal state that caused me to yell like my father and that also removed the state that I called a food dislike of sauerkraut. Makes sense?

> So, within the Doyle theory, how can you explain that some physical body states are
> eradicated without doing any Doyle trace ?

People do unconscious traces, just like they do all kinds of things without ever having any conscious training in them. But the man I helped last week in California had never traced the unsteadiness feeling from climbing up a rickety staircase at three that led him at 60 to be unable to climb to the top of his motorhome. Now he climbs to the top of motorhomes without any problem at all after his doyle trace.

Therapists lead people on unconscious traces in the course of talking about their problems. Sometimes the traces work, sometimes they don't. [ 16 June 2000 Note: Doyletics provides a theory that allows me to be successful nearly every time I do a trace. In fact, I find it easier to do the trace than to consider whether the unwanted reaction is a doyle or not. If it's a doyle, it goes away. If it does NOT go away, it may be a present body state, not a remembered body state (a doyle). Or I may not have done the trace successfully, perhaps due to my not keeping the doyle evoked all through the trace -- if so I can always try again the next time the doyle appears. A trace is a simple memory technique, not a therapy, by the way. However, if some therapists learn to use the simple memory trace techniques of doyletics, I have no doubt it will help them increase their success ratio. It is essential to note that doyletics provides opportunities to trace and erase doyles that are not considered as subjects for therapy, up until now. Consider for one example the woman who got sick from drinking water with a rotten egg smell and taste to it. As a top executive in the field of International Shipping, she could have easily afforded therapy, but the solution she was considering was to install an expensive filtering system for all the water in her house. Note that would not have protected her from drinking water at a neighbor's house and getting sick. ]

> Is it possible to focus on body states and remove them in this way, without reaching
> consciously the MTA ?

Yes. [16 June 2000 Note: This means that one may go below the MTA unconsciously. A therapist does not have access to all the processes going on inside of a person's head as they discuss the person's past. Dr. Gendlin is apparently aware of that when he points out that successes are achieved with patients that "spontaneously focus on their felt sensations during their psychotherapy." His description fits well with what I would call an unconscious doyle trace.]

> It seems that some spiritual people show little or even no emotion at all. Do you
> think that meditation or other spiritual practices can lead to a sort of Doyle tracing ?
> (in the emotional domain)


> Thanking you in advance
> Sincerely yours
> A Friend

Good talking to you.

in freedom and light,


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Subject: Re: emotions et al
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:26 -0500
From: Bobby Matherne
Organization: 21st Century Education, Inc
To: errera

A Friend wrote:
> Dear Bobby,
> In your last e-mail, you told me that Doyle has been operated.
> Do you have recent news ?

Dear [name withheld],

Doyle is finally doing better after two serious operations, actually three, and he is facing another short operation, but the prognosis for his full recovery is good, altho it's taking along time. He's 75 and recovery is slow at that age. Meantime he's planning a trip in his 32' Coachmen Motorhome to Northern California before the next operation [to remove calcium deposits that's constricting his throat.] and sometime later he plans to come to New Orleans and live in his MH for several months so we can work together.

His desktop PC is broken and the laptop is difficult for him to send emails with, so he's been incommunicado for some time.

> Futhermore, I realize now that you asked me a permission to use
> portions of this e-mail for your book. Of course you can !
> In fact, I have forgotted some other details (it was not my own experience)
> and if you want a whole description, please, let me know.

Thanks! I'll let you know once I dredge up the emails in question. Check out the website for where the emails will go -- either on the emails page, or I'll write up a description, use some alias and post it on the Trace History page.

> Concerning this experience (my wife's the first tracing process )
> it was a very painful experience, even traumatic for her.
> Now she does not want to repeat it an other time for other doyles .

I can certainly understand your wife's reluctance, given the traumatic experience. Can you describe to me what those experiences were so I can better understand the source of her reluctance? Also exactly what ages, that is, what time marks she was at when the traumatic experiences occured.

In my experience, most of the traumatic events occur during the day one is born, and that's why I earnestly recommend that EVERYONE go immediately from the day AFTER birth to the day BEFORE birth [ Day +1 to Day -1 ] in order to avoid completely any possibility of re-creating original event trauma. Doyle's book is replete with suggestions to FIND the ORIGINAL EVENT. Since he has learned to do my Speed Trace, he now understands that finding the original event is NOT a necessary condition for a successful trace.

But it is still useful to understand AFTER the trace is done, what happened during that original event. Once the trace is OVER, the mind has created a conceptual memory to replace the doylic memory, so simply ask, "What's a plausible thing that could have happened to me at that age?" [namely the age between the time mark when the doyle was present and the time mark when it disappeared.] Your brain will feed up the conceptual memory in some form or combination of visual, sounds, or feelings. Maybe a shadowy, dim image, but it will be enough to understand your personal history that led to the lifelong experience of the doyles. This question should be asked IMMEDIATELY -- AS SOON AS the doyles go away during the trace. May be useful to ask later, but best when done immediately.

> Moreover, I asked you :
> 'what about beliefs, opinions, behaviours related to the doyles just eradicated ?'
> and you answered that the question was not clear.
> But this is the key-point for me.
> My wife told me that she did not want to trace again because it was very painful
> AND because she did not notice any change in its own behaviours after the
tracing process.
> Does it make sense ?

This is another interesting point. Consider this -- you have a place in your driveway or sidewalk in front of your house, let's hypothesize for argument's sake, where there is an offset. You tripped over it a couple of times but now you are acclimated to its presence and never even notice you are walking over it without tripping. One day the city comes and a crew replaces the sidewalk, and the offset is gone.

Question: will you notice any difference in your behaviors?

You will continue to walk over the sidewalk as you did before when the offset was still there, even though it's no longer there. You will notice no difference in your behavior.

For many people, removing a doyle is like getting the sidewalk fixed. It was something they had become accustomed to, so that it was no longer a constant problem -- they only tripped over it in the dark or if they were in a hurry. Now that the problem is gone, they will not trip over it in the dark or when in a hurry, but how can they notice any difference in such a subtle change?

Here's a true story that illustrates the point:

A man lived for ten years in an apartment in Chicago on the second floor. An elevated train went past his room every night at 2 AM. He quickly learned to sleep through the noise and shaking of his bed. One day, unbeknownst to him, they shut down the train line. No more 2 AM trains ever again. The next night at 2 AM he awoke with a start and said, "What was that?"

There was no sound there to awaken him, he awoke because of the innate reaction of his body to the noise and shaking. This reaction fired off with no external stimulus.

For most people such reactions, while present, operate at such low levels that they will never notice the transitory effects of them. The man slept soundly the next night at 2 AM, so if the first night, he didn't wake up and ask himself why he woke up and somehow connected it with the absent train, he'll never know the reason. All these connections are necessary in EVERY PERSON who does a trace, or they will likely have the same reaction as your wife. Does that Make Sense to you?

> In my opinion the behaviour is generated by a system of beliefs. And a belief has been created
> originally by emotions. If the emotions are removed (more exactly the doyles) what about
> the other aspects (attitudes, behaviours, etc.) associated with the emotion ?

I hope I've answered your question fully. You are very wise to understand that doyles are components of emotions, not emotions per se. When one does a trace, one does not remove the emotion, only some prominent, unwanted component or doyle that comprises the emotion. The emotion will return, the doyle will be absent, and will the person do the cognitive work to notice the difference from before in the emotion? [Many will not, up until now.]

> What does that mean that 'the offending doyle is eradicated but the emotion is
> still present' ?

YES! MOST DEFINITELY! The doyle is gone, but the emotion is still present. Present, but modified.

> Can I really be very afraid with a very quiet and relax body ?

Cautious, prudent, but not anxious or fearful as I understand these nominalizations. Remember the word "afraid" means different things to different people. Read the Red Wagon Story on my website for insight into how this works.

Always one must go BACK TO ONE point -- what are the unwanted doyles of the process you call fear? Remove those and the word fear becomes different for you. Doyle has no fear states whatsoever, but as he has said many times, he still uses the word fear because it is a useful word to use with OTHER people and he otherwise would be using some neutral word like "concerned" over and over again.

We have a language created before doyle tracing and we must continue to use the same language for communicating after doyle tracing. The language will change and evolve because of the insights and applications that will arise from doyletics, but for now, we must still communicate as best we know how, even though the language lacks expressiveness for the new way we are inside of our selves from now on.

> Is your website up now ?
> With thanks,
> Most sincerely
> > [Name Withheld]

Yes, it is. Simply go the website listed after my name below.

in freedom and light,

Bobby --
Bobby Matherne-- New Orleans, Louisiana
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